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BarbieGirl
#1 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 8:50:31 PM Quote
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Hi, I went to the older person's assessment unit last Monday. I was the only one there!! no waiting, there is a large gymnasium, it has physio balls and some disability aids. I met Georgie, my physiotherapist who spent 40 minutes with me, looking at my joints and looking at the amount of movement I have in my feet ankles and legs. I had to walk straight (no chance, I wobble from side to side) and keep looking forward. I had to try walking putting one foot behind the other so that the toes on one foot touched the heel of the other, I couldnt do it, just lost balance. I went up and down two steps, I did it my usual way, but told her that in my house I pull myself up one side on the bannister, and put my other hand on the steps as I go up. She did lots of moving my feet and knees up and down to chceck the movement. I had to try to go on tip toe, it was far too painful.

She gave me the following information:-
1 very poor foot support - dynamic arch absent
2 poor ankle joint mobility
3 muscle tightness/weakness around ankle/knee
4 reliance on "hip strategy" for balance

She has given me exercised to do, and I am to see her again next Monday 6th June.
She says I walk by putting my foot flat down as there is no flexibility there, and this is due to over a period of time the pain got worse, so I found my own way of walking, which has got worse over time.

Well, thats it, sorry its so long, just wondering if anything can help really, but I will do my exercises.
BARBARA
LynW
#2 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 9:20:00 PM Quote
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Hi Barbara

Wow, I have exactly the same problems with lower limbs! Arches fallen flat, ankle mobility very poor and stiff, knees ... don't get me started! I get upstairs just like you do! My physio said I look "like I'm walking on snow all the time", think she means I either trudge or plod with flat feet!! Been working on that for ages too!

Who knows Barbara, but do give the exercises a good try, if nothing else they do make you more aware of stance, posture and movement and should at least help with flexibility.

Let us know how you get on!

Lyn x
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sheila_G
#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:46:07 AM Quote
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Hi Barbara and Lyn

I have similar problems with feet. I went to a Podiatrist who checked the way I walk by making me walk across a mat that was connected to a screen which showed how I was walking and why it hurt in certain places. He made me some insoles that can be changed to different shoes and also can be stuck on to sandals with double sided tape. I had to wear these for an hour a day and gradually build up to having them in all the time and they have made a great difference. My ankles were very weak and my big toes were very sore but since my feet have been aligned properly I can no longer feel my toes when walking. It has made a huge difference to me as I like to be out in the country when I can. Maybe you should try that too. Good luck

Sheila x
LynW
#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:03:18 PM Quote
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Hi Sheila

We have both done just that already!! Clearly you have much to learn about me and feet LOL LOL LOL I think I drive people nuts with my seeming obsession with feet RollEyes It is important that anyone with RA is referred to a podiatrist at the very earliest signs of problem in the feet. The delicate bones, of which there are many, can be very easily damaged and as yet you can't, to my knowledge, get replacement feet!!

Here's a blog I did a few months ago on, would you believe it ... feet?

Lyn x
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sheila_G
#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:37:34 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn

Are you telling me that you were referred to a podiatrist on the NHS? No-one at rheumatology has mentioned podiatry to me in 9 years. I paid 250 pounds to see a podiatrist doh!!!

Sheila x
LynW
#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:37:34 PM Quote
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Oh Sheila that's a lot of money! Yes, I was seen on the NHS both by podiatry and orthotics.

I was referred fairly early on although the RA did start in my feet and ankles and was very severe. At one point I had special shoes made but they didn't cut the mustard. I have had numerous pairs of insoles made which go in trainers or whatever but I still struggle to walk very far without pain. Initially the surgery (although butchery!) worked well and for a time I had no pain or even discomfort but it didn't last as further changes took place and the arches flattened and my toes clawed.

Sometimes people don't appreciate just how susceptible the feet and toes can be to RA and don't seek advice until after the damage has occurred. I think referrals through the NHS are made a lot sooner now but people still need to ask to be referred, it doesn't seem to be automatic. Likewise with Occupational Therapy.

Lyn x

My son, Ian, completed the BUPA Great North Run on 15th September running for the National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society (NRAS). You can read his story at http://www.justgiving.com/ianlukewilson

sheila_G
#7 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:57:57 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn

I had terrible trouble with my ankle. It kept giving way on me and swelled up like a melon, still does. I was sent by rheumatology to Wrightington to have an injection through the top of my foot, under x ray because it needed to go in exactly the right place. I then had to wear one of those casts that are like a great big grey boot for 6 weeks and they still didn't mention podiatry. Since I have had special insoles made walking has been much easier although feet still sore.

Sheila x
Damned76
#8 Posted : Friday, June 03, 2011 9:18:15 PM Quote
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Hi Barbie, Sorry to hear things are not good but glad that someone is listening to you and trying to help. Good luck at the next appointment. I thought my physio was brilliant, after seeing the limited mobility I still had after my six week course, he was the one that brought another rheumatologist to see me from the general ward. He asked her how bad I had to be before anyone considered the anti-TNFs. The doctor arranged my first DAS test that day and she had me on Humira 3 months later. Hope your physio is as good.

Julie xx
sylvia
#9 Posted : Saturday, June 04, 2011 2:31:01 PM Quote
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hi sheila, i seen a RA podiatry 3 weeks ago she made me insoles and made apointment to see physio also to see orthotics for shoes my right foot is very painful i can hardly walk the apointment came in today i have to see both on same day but about 30miles apart dont think i will manage that do clinics and dwpt not speak to each other i am on naproxin and MX but pain in foot is terrable i also have insoles to help but they dont my pain seems to be toes and just under them and pads of foot anyone know any exercises that help, i will now have to change 1 of apointments but which 1 as i need both sylvia xx
LynW
#10 Posted : Saturday, June 04, 2011 7:46:49 PM Quote
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Hi Sylvia

Sorry to hear of your ongoing foot problems and the pain you are in as a result.

I have said on many occasions on here so no doubt repeating myself but you only get one pair of feet and damage done can very soon become irreversible. The small joints in the feet that carry the main body weight are easily damaged but this can equally be avoided by correct footwear and possibly orthotic insoles.

Your problems sound very similar to the ones I and many others experience due to RA. No, I’m not a podiatrist, I have RA which started in my feet possibly many years before I was actually diagnosed. I have had two lots of surgery to my feet to have metatarsal heads removed. These are the knobbly lumps behind the toes on the base of each foot (the pads you describe). In RA these small joints quickly become damaged with the resulting "walking on pebbles" dilemma. Perhaps in the future it may be possible to replace these joints but for now the only option is removal. This shortens the length of the foot and leaves the toes floppy. I have a whacking great scar across the top of each foot and cannot now move my toes which at times become extremely painfull due to dislocations and various malformations that have occurred over time.

You need to see the orthotist first as they may be able to offer more suitable insoles than the standard ones issued by podiatry. Your feet will be cast, so they are very much a made to measure device, and the moulds sent off for the orthotic insoles to be made. These will support your feet in all the necessary places and avoid you putting undue pressure on perhaps joints that have some damage.

Physio may be able to suggest exercises to help but will need to assess your walking with the orthotics in place.

Hope this helps Sylvia,

Lyn x

PS here's a link to a blog I wrote on Health Unlocked about 'feet'!


My son, Ian, completed the BUPA Great North Run on 15th September running for the National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society (NRAS). You can read his story at http://www.justgiving.com/ianlukewilson

BarbieGirl
#11 Posted : Sunday, June 05, 2011 5:12:08 PM Quote
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Hi everyone, well, been doing the exercises (not rigidly, a s for two days was too painful) and no difference so far. My podiatry apt is for August 5th, and so the physio said she would try to get me one at orthotics before that. Talk about fast!!! I have one for this Thursday 9th. Like Lyn says, we only get one pair of feet and not much can be done when too much damage has already occurred, problem is that you dont realise how much damage is done until its too late. I personally think its because the damage is over a period of time, and although it gets worse, you dont necessarily notice the difference (well I didnt anyway!) so, eventually when rheumatology finally listens they do send you for appt it then takes another 3-6 months, so it seems like forever before anyone listens. I have spent two years saying how painful my feet and ankles were, but because feet dont count on the DAS it gets ignored. Anyway, I have physio again tomorrow, and then on Tues 7th I have a heart scan at 9.15fam then I see the rheumy nurse to find out about anti-TNF, so wish me luck, I have a very busy week, thats apart from working for three days lol!!! Take care everyoneSmile
BARBARA
sheila_G
#12 Posted : Sunday, June 05, 2011 9:36:13 PM Quote
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Hi Sylvia

I am glad you have got an appointment next week. I am sure you will find that they make a difference. Good luck.

Sheila x
Sara-R
#13 Posted : Monday, June 06, 2011 10:45:22 AM Quote
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Hi all,
Oh feet my favourite subject at the minute! So diagnosed last November referred to orthotist in February and now I have my lovely new insoles to wear in, he was very impressed by the state of my feet! Luckily orthotistry had been contracted out down here because I was looking at a 64 week waiting list, so Sheila your money may have been well spent. Then the inevitable search for shoes which would let in both my feet and the insoles, thank the lord for this site and Hotter shoes! So wearing them in and I must say that I think they're helping me stay on my feet for longer, or it may be something else who knows? One question, I have the bag of gravel in my left foot so is surgery sort of inevitable? One mission on my RA journey is to avoid surgery and steroids if at all possibble! Hope you get some relief soon Barbara, I must say that my Orthotist may well prove to be the most important person in my life at the minute!
Sara
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sheila_G
#14 Posted : Monday, June 06, 2011 12:29:43 PM Quote
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Hi Sara

So glad the insoles are helping. Mine have made a tremendous difference. What! 64 weeks. That is ridiculous. I am glad I went privately now but we shouldn't have to. Obviously if people have to wait that long, irreparable damage is going to be done and they should employ more orthotists. NHS cuts no doubt. I worry about the future with staff leaving, not surprisingly, and major cuts. Where is it all going to end? We're all doomed!!!LOL

Sheila X
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#15 Posted : Monday, June 06, 2011 9:16:35 PM Quote
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Hi Sara, I too have Hotter shoes and find them brilliant. Glenys.
LynW
#16 Posted : Monday, June 06, 2011 9:36:22 PM Quote
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Sara-R wrote:
... One question, I have the bag of gravel in my left foot so is surgery sort of inevitable?


Hi Sara

I wouldn't go as far as to say inevitable but if the metatarsal heads are damaged they aren't going to right themselves. Basically it comes down to how much damage is present and whether the discomfort is something you can live with. Despite surgery my feet are still bad (although I got a good few years respite!) because the metatarsals (the long bones of the feet) themselves have now dropped (I assume due to the fact there is no supporting head) and my toes are 'clawing'as a result. Good insoles are an absolute must and should be reviewed at least 12 monthly to take account of changes to the feet.

I wouldn't rush down the surgery route at this stage; if the gravel turns to pebbles Scared then's the time to jump!

Lyn x
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Sara-R
#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 07, 2011 4:08:59 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn,
Thanks for that, the bag of gravel gives me quite a bit of jip but mainly morning and evening and my orthotics have a bar in them and extra padding either side so there's little pressure on the bag of gravel whilst walking. The jury's out on the orthotics, hoping they'll help with the bag og gravel but still wearing them in because they make everything sore. OT this morning explained about putting things right will hurt so I'm still building up the amount of time I wear them for. I've got an open appoinment with the orthotist so I can go back whenever I like. I will never put my hand up for surgery unless absolutely necessary, my under the knife phobia is only second to the needles! My consultant this morning said if the side effects with the MTX carry on to consider injections, my blood ran cold and I said I would rather try another anti-inflammatory first to see if it was that which was causing the nausea, thank you very much for the suggestion but we'll leave that for now. Well, so why did I ask the question when I sort of knew I wouldn't like the answer?? This girl will never learn!
Sara
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